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		By: Sage		</title>
		<link>https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-3201</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;re being unfair by imputing realist intentions to &lt;i&gt;Sunshine&lt;/i&gt;.  The spiral away from reality (into madness ) as the movie progresses is clearly intentional... it&#039;s kind of the point.

Let&#039;s think about works where mecha is used to good effect.  (I assume you aren&#039;t counting &lt;i&gt;The Iron Giant&lt;/i&gt;, because he&#039;s not really a mecha and it&#039;s a fantastic movie.)  &lt;i&gt;Aliens&lt;/i&gt;?  Maybe if you count the tripods in &lt;i&gt;War of the Worlds&lt;/i&gt; (the book)?  Not much else that I can think of.  They make good bosses in video games, though (and bad protagonists).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re being unfair by imputing realist intentions to <i>Sunshine</i>.  The spiral away from reality (into madness ) as the movie progresses is clearly intentional&#8230; it&#8217;s kind of the point.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s think about works where mecha is used to good effect.  (I assume you aren&#8217;t counting <i>The Iron Giant</i>, because he&#8217;s not really a mecha and it&#8217;s a fantastic movie.)  <i>Aliens</i>?  Maybe if you count the tripods in <i>War of the Worlds</i> (the book)?  Not much else that I can think of.  They make good bosses in video games, though (and bad protagonists).</p>
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		By: Avatar: Relentless Cliche Assault &#8211; gaijin.com		</title>
		<link>https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-2384</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] again, we have walking &#8220;mechs&#8221;. I fucking hate them. These ones, at least, have glass canopies to protect the pilots (where the ones in the Matrix [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] again, we have walking &#8220;mechs&#8221;. I fucking hate them. These ones, at least, have glass canopies to protect the pilots (where the ones in the Matrix [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: eto_theipi		</title>
		<link>https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-389</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Treads? Pfft. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sjgames.com/ogre/products/ogregev/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;G.E.V.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Treads? Pfft. <a href="http://www.sjgames.com/ogre/products/ogregev/" rel="nofollow">G.E.V.</a></p>
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		By: pallmalls		</title>
		<link>https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-388</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;A mech would be more psychologically intimidating in real life than a tank, but only because of its fantastical nature.  We&#039;ve all seen tanks a million times on The History Channel, but if you saw a 10-story tall robot running towards you, guns blazing, it&#039;s definitely brown trousers time.  Once mechs had been around for a while, though, they&#039;d probably lose the psychological effectiveness.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Disclaimer:  I work for a University with massive DoD contracts for creating military robot thingys.  They&#039;re quite handy for stomping on all the unarmed hippie protesters.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A mech would be more psychologically intimidating in real life than a tank, but only because of its fantastical nature.  We&#8217;ve all seen tanks a million times on The History Channel, but if you saw a 10-story tall robot running towards you, guns blazing, it&#8217;s definitely brown trousers time.  Once mechs had been around for a while, though, they&#8217;d probably lose the psychological effectiveness.</p>
<p>Disclaimer:  I work for a University with massive DoD contracts for creating military robot thingys.  They&#8217;re quite handy for stomping on all the unarmed hippie protesters.</p>
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		By: hedr_goblin		</title>
		<link>https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-387</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-386&quot;&gt;hedr_goblin&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;argh, That&#039;s JOHNNY SOKKO&lt;br /&gt;
(my super fantastico spelling powers at work again)&lt;br /&gt;
http://home.alphalink.com.au/~roglen/johnny_sokko.htm&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-386">hedr_goblin</a>.</p>
<p>argh, That&#8217;s JOHNNY SOKKO<br />
(my super fantastico spelling powers at work again)<br />
<a href="http://home.alphalink.com.au/~roglen/johnny_sokko.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://home.alphalink.com.au/~roglen/johnny_sokko.htm</a></p>
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		By: hedr_goblin		</title>
		<link>https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-386</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Well, you were right.&lt;br /&gt;
It was a horribly nerdy rant.&lt;br /&gt;
*duck*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think most people would agree with you about the Matrix thing though... it was SO annoying.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I usually just think &quot;Go Jonny Socko GO!&quot; when I see mech-based fiction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If people are going to explore fantasy based sci-fi tech, I wish someone would write more about portable transportation discs, and the idea of moving through molecular time/space/mass/energy... &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who needs knees when you have instantaneous transportation discs?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you were right.<br />
It was a horribly nerdy rant.<br />
*duck*</p>
<p>I think most people would agree with you about the Matrix thing though&#8230; it was SO annoying.</p>
<p>I usually just think &#8220;Go Jonny Socko GO!&#8221; when I see mech-based fiction.</p>
<p>If people are going to explore fantasy based sci-fi tech, I wish someone would write more about portable transportation discs, and the idea of moving through molecular time/space/mass/energy&#8230; </p>
<p>Who needs knees when you have instantaneous transportation discs?</p>
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		By: mr_chip		</title>
		<link>https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-385</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mr_chip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-384&quot;&gt;jorm&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;A recent minor fascination with the details of McCarthyism got me interested in the artwork written as a response to it. ST makes me think of this Mark Twain story I once heard where he describes writing a parody of the Leatherstocking tales that was so subtle nobody realized it was a parody. I can&#039;t decide if Heinlein&#039;s being reactionary or revolutionary in his commentary on the current political climate of the day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But then, what else is new.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-384">jorm</a>.</p>
<p>A recent minor fascination with the details of McCarthyism got me interested in the artwork written as a response to it. ST makes me think of this Mark Twain story I once heard where he describes writing a parody of the Leatherstocking tales that was so subtle nobody realized it was a parody. I can&#8217;t decide if Heinlein&#8217;s being reactionary or revolutionary in his commentary on the current political climate of the day.</p>
<p>But then, what else is new.</p>
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		By: jorm		</title>
		<link>https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-382&quot;&gt;mr_chip&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;Stuff like power armor makes a lot more sense - and especially the power armor in &lt;i&gt;Starship Troopers&lt;/i&gt;:  it&#039;s really a space suit that has weapons; it is used for zone dropping from orbit, etc, etc.  Since it&#039;s a lot smaller, it could be more stealthy and would require less power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;Power Armor&quot; is, indeed, a sound idea militarily.  They&#039;re even making forms of it now - exoskeletal suits and the like.  Also, remember that Heinlein was a military man, so he writes from a position of &quot;how they&#039;re gonna think.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reason that power armor works while mecha do not is that power armor attempts to *compensate* for the weaknesses of an *infantry man* while *enhancing his capabilities*.  Human beings already have knees; we&#039;re trying to make that better; it&#039;s an unavoidable design flaw.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whereas a mecha?  Again:  you&#039;re designing a flaw into your tank.  A really, really, really bad one.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re like, the seventh person I know (including myself) who has recently re-read Starship Troopers.  There was even a big thread about it on the NW forums (though mostly about his political leanings).&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-382">mr_chip</a>.</p>
<p>Stuff like power armor makes a lot more sense &#8211; and especially the power armor in <i>Starship Troopers</i>:  it&#8217;s really a space suit that has weapons; it is used for zone dropping from orbit, etc, etc.  Since it&#8217;s a lot smaller, it could be more stealthy and would require less power.</p>
<p>&#8220;Power Armor&#8221; is, indeed, a sound idea militarily.  They&#8217;re even making forms of it now &#8211; exoskeletal suits and the like.  Also, remember that Heinlein was a military man, so he writes from a position of &#8220;how they&#8217;re gonna think.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reason that power armor works while mecha do not is that power armor attempts to *compensate* for the weaknesses of an *infantry man* while *enhancing his capabilities*.  Human beings already have knees; we&#8217;re trying to make that better; it&#8217;s an unavoidable design flaw.</p>
<p>Whereas a mecha?  Again:  you&#8217;re designing a flaw into your tank.  A really, really, really bad one.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re like, the seventh person I know (including myself) who has recently re-read Starship Troopers.  There was even a big thread about it on the NW forums (though mostly about his political leanings).</p>
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		By: mr_chip		</title>
		<link>https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-383</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-382&quot;&gt;mr_chip&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;GRARG. Sorry for the triple-post. Cookie expired, then lj decided I WANTED to be posting anonymously.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://kingofnovember.com/2007/09/mecha/comment-page-1/#comment-382">mr_chip</a>.</p>
<p>GRARG. Sorry for the triple-post. Cookie expired, then lj decided I WANTED to be posting anonymously.</p>
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		By: mr_chip		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Do you draw a line between mecha (Mechwarrior style) and power armor? I&#039;m re-reading Starship Troopers for the first time in years, and I can&#039;t get over how great the power armor ideas in that still sound. It&#039;s even better when you realize this was all coming out of the 50&#039;s.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you draw a line between mecha (Mechwarrior style) and power armor? I&#8217;m re-reading Starship Troopers for the first time in years, and I can&#8217;t get over how great the power armor ideas in that still sound. It&#8217;s even better when you realize this was all coming out of the 50&#8217;s.</p>
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